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Post by brandonina on Feb 23, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -5
Okay, reading Julius Caesar makes me depressed... So we talked about the butterfly effect. If everything didn't happen as it was, Caesar wouldn't have been assassinated. How Brutus got to talk to Cassius (like why) The bad weather leading to misinterpretation The existence of the soothsayer If Caesar didn't refuse the crown three times If Brutus didn't get the fake letter If Brutus listened to his wife If Caesar listened to his wife If Brutus talked to Caesar privately If Brutus didn't let those conspirators come into his house.. I don't know. It's becoming ridiculous. What would be the number one thing you would change in this story to not let Caesar die. What could've happened instead and what would've changed in the history? I wonder what would've happened if Cassius didn't exist...Brutus talks to Caesar about his tyrant power and his value of honor so that Caesar would change his mind and distribute his absolute power to some noble men to promote peaceful Rome. Oh wait... then someone else would've eventually gone against Caesar. Never mind hahaha This post is a little useless but I just want to know what you guys think!
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Post by james on Feb 24, 2013 1:50:56 GMT -5
I don't know if this was going to prevent Caear's death, but I think it would've been very interesting if Brutus wasn't honorable at all and if his reputations were really bad . Although I think of Brutus as a potential evil minded guy or subconsciously evil or not honorable at all. But I think it would've been really interesting Brutus not being honorable guy. If he weren't Cassius wouldn't propose the assasination to Brutus in the first place and maybe Brutus actually helped Caesar instead of being a part of the assasination. And just like you mentioned, I also wonder what would've happened if Cassius didn't exist. That would be pretty interesting too. If he doesn't exist, there wouldn't be any actual guy who plans the assasination. Those conspirators are such a coward, they don't have any guts to kill someone. Cassius weren't either, because he would not have assasinated Caesar if he didn't have Brutus.. So I think how things can be so easily changed is very interesting lol.
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Post by |Ruchira| on Feb 24, 2013 2:45:33 GMT -5
U know, one thing you mentioned brandon: Brutas never talked to Caesar privately....or did he? I don't remember...but yeah, Brutas totally should've done that. I mean, c'mon, as the saying goes: violence is not the answer! Talk it out first, and if that fails then go to violence. But seriously though, Brutas could've talked to Caesar in private or have all the senate people with Caesar and have a meeting. Although, maybe then Caesar would become annoyed and plan to kill everybody who is against his rule. Then Brutas would be killed by Caesar! Omg, then we'd be reading Marcus Brutas!!!
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Post by KevinW on Feb 24, 2013 7:32:50 GMT -5
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Not butterfly effect. Just sayin'. The events you listed do not cause one another like toppling dominoes. It's more like one giant "NOR" statement, where if any of the individual parts were "true" then the result would be false. i.e. Caesar listened to his wife=true => Caesar death=false
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Post by woojongpark on Feb 24, 2013 9:28:04 GMT -5
This reminds me of the domino effect we talked in class. If one piece is missing, the whole line of events would be ruined. I think if Brutus talked with Caesar even once, Caesar wouldn't have died. If Caesar knew what tragedy would befall on him, he would have taken care of the conspirators before they killed him. But in class, we talked about fate versus free will. If fate is chosen by gods, maybe human is too feeble to change the fate. Even if one of those events has been altered, Caesar would still have died.
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Post by lukejoo1092 on Feb 25, 2013 7:52:41 GMT -5
For me, the biggest element that would have changed Caesar's fate is if he had listened to the soothsayer. That was the most direct warning towards him but he decided to ignore it. He could have sensed that danger was coming if he had not been so arrogant but he failed to do so. But same with the others, despite all of these warnings, Caesar ended up being killed by Brutus and the others. Doesn't it seem a bit strange that he died even though he had all of these warnings? At this point it seems harder to ignore the warnings than to just accept them! Maybe shakespeare wanted to point out that Caesar's death was his fate, something that the gods had decided to make happen. I dunno, but it's just so strange to me of how a man can be so ignorant of all of the odd happenings that are occurring just around him.
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Post by linnie on Feb 26, 2013 7:01:53 GMT -5
Well, there are lots and lots of things we can say and I think you mentioned most of them. But one of them you missed it letter of Artemidorus. He is in Act 2 scene 3, and he is reading a letter that is meant to be sent to Caesar. He mentions about conspirators and how Julius Caesar should be aware of them, and if conspirators' plan success, it is a fate. Yet, this letter couldn't reach Julius Caesar. If it reached Julius Caesar, maybe future changed.
But there is something ironic about this domino effect. (Domino effect= if one of the factors is left out or doesn't work out, the result changes.) Because, according to Julius Caesar, the fate is decided so it can't be changed. Also this is the main theme of Julius Caesar. However, the domino effect is more of free will, so you can change the future if you want to. I will say this is more like Cassius.
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Post by esther on Feb 27, 2013 9:01:29 GMT -5
I think if Caesar had just listened to his wife and stayed at home instead of going to the court, he wouldn't have been dead. Calpurnia's dream was totally correct, so if Caesar believed her, the whole Julius Caesar story would have been different.
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Post by chrishong on Mar 1, 2013 9:33:03 GMT -5
I totally agree with you guys. Like all of you guys, I also imagined that if Caesar listened to his wife's horrible dreams about Caesar getting killed, took the soothsayer's warning seriously, and read Artemidorus's letter, Caesar would've avoided his fate, which is getting assassinated by the conspirators.
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Post by JustinK. on Mar 1, 2013 20:33:53 GMT -5
Well, since it's a butterfly affect, we need to look at the very first domino to avoid everything else to happen. I think that Caesar actually killed himself. There were so many signs and warning to avoid Caesar's death, but he was just overwhelmed with his confidence and arrogance. He thought that the soothsayer was insane and blamed his wife about misinterpreting her own dream. If he listened to the soothsayer and think about it seriously, then he would've raised his caution and would've probably suspected Cassius or even Brutus.
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Post by yeajinchoi on Mar 2, 2013 0:19:05 GMT -5
I could, I would make Caesar less arrogant. I just don't like his personality and if he would fix it, he wouldn't have died. But if I was a character in the story, I would stop Brutus from reading the letters so that Brutus can be on Caesar's side and maybe warn Caesar. Then the chances of his dying would have been less. Like justin said, its like dominoes. We have to stop the very first one. Brutus shouldn't have talked to Cassius.
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Post by sazad100 on Mar 2, 2013 6:41:47 GMT -5
I am curious what would happen if Ceasar lost and Pompey won the battle. Then i guess none of these would have happened and Caesar would have already been killed by Pompey.
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Post by sergeyfen on Mar 2, 2013 9:02:24 GMT -5
If Brutus didnt receive a letter from the Cassius Caesar wouldnt have died. Brutus hesitated on either killing Caesar or not, the letter that Brutus receives changes everything and Brutus finally decides to kill him. So if there was not letter Cassius would might not have killed Caesar.
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Post by ExtremelyExtremeExtremist on Mar 2, 2013 9:48:54 GMT -5
I think Caesar wouldn¡¯t die if he read Artemidorus¡¯s letter. He ignored the warnings from soothsayer, omens, and his wife. The letter written by Artemidorus consisted people in conspirators, introduction of conspirators by excessive confidence, and the order to be aware of them. I think that Caesar didn¡¯t believe them because they can be translated into many different meanings based on other¡¯s view. The letter gave detailed and precise description of the assassination, so Caesar would¡¯ve believed it. If he read it, he would¡¯ve returned to his home and executed the conspirators.
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Post by misatonakano on Mar 2, 2013 21:53:43 GMT -5
I think If Brutus talked to Caesar privately everything didn't happen.Because they have friendship so Brutus could help Caesar by conspirators.
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