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Post by brandonina on Nov 10, 2012 7:07:53 GMT -5
We recently had to read the Sonnets as an assignment, which for me, was pretty challenging. I basically thought that the poem was trying to say how the beauty of "you" (the loved one) lasts forever unlike others. I was able to imply this by referring to several lines such as "thy eternal summer shall not fade." Also, I thought that Shakespeare intended to keep the "summer" immortal and that it was the whole purpose of writing the poem. His beauty will remain forever as long as any men can read this poem. I believe Shakespeare's love changed the way how he viewed the cycle/ way of life since he would've desired to preserve his/her beauty. I know that the poem can be interpreted in so many more ways. What's your opinions?
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Post by yeajinchoi on Nov 11, 2012 1:31:51 GMT -5
I agree that understanding the poem was very challenging. We had to basically "translate" every line to understand the big picture. I think that Shakespeare was talking about the beauty of his lover. Whether his lover was a man or a woman, I think he was comparing his/her beauty to the everlasting beauty of summer. In the poem, I was able to guess that he might have written about the maturing process of his lover by comparing it to different stages of the 4 seasons.
That's what I guessed and started off with for my essay. It's funny how Shakespeare had one theme of the poem while he was writing it but we have so many different guesses. haha.
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Post by esther on Nov 11, 2012 3:07:08 GMT -5
I also agree that the poem was hard to understand. But after I read it over and over, I realized that the author wrote something that clearly expressed his love towards his beloved one. He sticked with comparing with nature, because we can see that he used summer, eternal summer, and etc to express the beauty of 'you'. This gave me a whole new inspiration because Shakespeare so loved 'you' that 'your' beauty was like eternal summer, which symbolizes love and passion.
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Post by sergeyfen on Nov 11, 2012 3:37:33 GMT -5
I also thought that poem was really challenging and very hard to understand. As i red it over for several times i realized that Shakespeare is trying to express his feelings towards the person that he loved. Also i realized that sometihng happened to him and his beloved one, so he wrote that because he was sad and upset(thats my opinion). He made a comparisson with his beloved one and summer because summer is very beautfiul and everything turns green. He refered that to his beloved one as he thought of her the same way BEAUTFIUl.
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Post by irin on Nov 11, 2012 7:29:19 GMT -5
It was hard to understand but I understand he loving poem and compare your beauty was like eternal summer. I think he want to show what is love is.
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Post by gb1708 on Nov 11, 2012 8:16:23 GMT -5
Of course, we all know that Sp(Shakespeare) wrote it to flirt and he should praise his beloved. As I understand (help from Justin)the first four lines, Sp wrote about the beauty as summer, sun,... next four lines he wrote about nature and natural law. The next four lines he wrote about exception that his beloved disobey the law. That beauty lasts forever.
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Post by woojongpark on Nov 11, 2012 8:56:43 GMT -5
I thought this poem was very sweet because it was a bit simple and showed the love towards the woman. I liked it very much. I agree that the beauty will remain even though the flow of time weathers the youth, but I think Shakespeare is trying to say that time does not matter, but what's more important is the eternal feeling towards someone he loves. But I don't understand the 3rd line from the last. Do you guys know what it means?
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Post by ExtremelyExtremeExtremist on Nov 11, 2012 9:38:31 GMT -5
It was hard to understand this poem and later, I had two ideas what it was saying.
One could be telling that our lover can help us when we¡¯re unhappy. I feel like Shakespeare became better when his lover helped him. He mostly used ¡®summer¡¯ to describe how lover can affect you.
Second one could be telling us not to use wrong materials (drugs, alcohols, etc.) to get happiness, and we can recover from them when we feel regret. I got this clue when I re-translated in another perspective (when it talked about bad event, short summer, degrading of people, lack of development, and eternal summer).
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Post by lukejoo1092 on Nov 11, 2012 11:22:27 GMT -5
I had a very hard to to understand this poem at first and honestly, I needed the help of the internet to get a hang of it. Once I understood that he was referring to the beauty of his loved one, I was able to understand the beauty of the poem itself. It was lovely how he said when all other things aren't perfect and will naturally fade away, the beauty of his lover shall be perfect and remain the same forever as long as this sonnet continues to exist. I believe through this poem we can tell a bit about Shakespeare himself. He wasn't just only a creative writer but a romantic one as well. And maybe at the time, this was considered a very great way to get a woman's heart (and still looks like an effective way today). Anyhow, personally I liked this poem a bit. Only if it were a bit more easier to understand then I would have liked it more.
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Post by JustinK. on Nov 12, 2012 2:53:29 GMT -5
>< understanding the sonnet was very difficult. Each sentence has its own meanings and they corresponds with the other lines. Fortunately, with Ms. Boyd's help, we could analyze the sonnet easily by defining each word and the reason the author chose the words and dividing it into different quadrants. I think that Shakespeare wrote this sonnet to express that "if a person is in love, any slight imperfection can be overlooked. Such love is also strong enough to break the nature's cycle."
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Post by linnie on Nov 12, 2012 4:56:35 GMT -5
This poem was seriously difficult. It took me an hour to finish my annotated reading... It was just so much for me. Shakespearean sonnets and plays are really difficult to memorize and analyze. It's my fourth time analyzing his work and every time I do this, I am annoyed. But I liked the theme though. The poem was sweet! In this sonnet, I found several themes but I didn't know which scale should I focus on. Three themes I found were that this sonnet is dedicated to lover, loved one's beauty is immortal and love toward the person referred in sonnet is immortal. I eventually chose the second one. In the poem, it explained in detail how person's beauty is immortal, so I chose the second theme. Also couplet at the end of the sonnet helped me to get ideas as well. According to Ms. Boyd, when you want to find the major theme, look at the couplet and it will tell us.
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Post by james on Nov 12, 2012 5:17:52 GMT -5
Some part of the poem was pretty easy this time, which is very unusual for me. Becausw i usually dont understand poems at all. Of cource there were some challenging lines that i couldnt understand, but i got the basic idea of the poem. Obviously, i believe that the author is trying to say about the beauty of his lover and i can tell that the author was very dedicated to hia lover. Comparing the lover to a summer's day is already a big proof that the author is very dedicated to the lover. The eternal summer tells that the beauty of the lover will last forever and the lover will exist forever in the authors poem as long as the poem exist forever
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Post by jisu25 on Nov 16, 2012 2:21:05 GMT -5
I am very confused about reading sonnets. There are some vocabulary in the sonnets that i recognize, but they have different meanings from the ones that i know. For example the word "determination" in sonnet 13 is used to not terminate or to not destroy. The word determination from what i know is the spirit to do something. I sonnets, Shakesphere is playing with the definition of the words and he uses the definition that i don't know.
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Post by |Ruchira| on Nov 16, 2012 8:28:07 GMT -5
hi
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Post by |Ruchira| on Nov 16, 2012 8:28:44 GMT -5
i've actually gotten kind of interested in shakespear since the play
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