We have been reading A Doll's House for several days till now, and I have a question about Nora. At first, Nora was characterized as childish little spendthrift who "live for the moment". She loves sweets and lies to her husband, flirty and loves husband. But as we read, we can notice her character gradually changes.
I don't know if other class has read this part as well, but Nora tells Christine a secret that Helmer doesn't know. That is, she got the money for the trip by herself, not from her dad. Since her dad was dead right at that time, she couldn't borrow the money. And this was all for her husband's health.
So what do you think? Is Nora a childish spendthrift or a matured young woman? And where do you think she got the money from? Well, Ms. boyd spoiled our class so I think our class will know, but still...
Post by jooyoungpark on Dec 3, 2012 7:45:56 GMT -5
I think Nora is a childish spendthrift, personally i think she is in an affair with someone else, and that was how she got the money. Her actions of blabbering and bragging about her every little thing she did is a very childish act, which is why i dont think she got the money on her own, instead with another man.
Well, probably the author wanted to give a twist to the story for fun to show that the readers thought wrong of Nora that she is actually not spoiled or so greedy for money. She might actually be a caring woman who knows how to independently get the resources she needs by herself and is devoted in helping her husband. But then again, the author might also suddenly throw us another unexpected twist which make us have to change our view on Nora's personality. We'd never know till we finish the whole story but I think and probably hope that that's what happens later on
Post by nadiraamalina on Dec 5, 2012 6:19:40 GMT -5
I thought Nora was stupid at first, and she was everything that I hated in a woman because her airheadedness, self involved-ness, and her love of all things girly was what made society stereotype women as airheads. I would really like to pat the author on the back for making her a more well rounded character, breaking the mold of female heroines who were usually weak and needed a man to take care of her.
Again, I think the story needs a twist too, and I bet that the author will somehow make all of her mistakes collapse on top of each other and ruin the carefully crafted doll's house that she made.
I think that Nora is a matured young women with a childish attitude. Nora acts like a child that wants allowance from Helmer, however inside she is thinking of trying to save some of that money. She acts like a child in the outside, however in the inside she thinks like how a real adult should act as. Since she knew that her father died, she couldn't get the money from him, so she had no other choice but to get the money for her husband's health somewhere else.
I think Nora is not as childish as we think. She was able to lock herself up for weeks before Christmas to earn money. Also, she went through the harsh times of poverty(compared to her wealth right now) and she managed to handle the big debt, even though she hasn't completely paid it off. When it's necessary, I think she is completely capable of becoming mature, like she was when she had to take care of her husband when he was ill. If Helmer didn't treat her like a child so much, I feel like Nora would be a mature lady, maybe even like Mrs. Linde.
I think that Nora is trying to hide something from her husband that is why she always have to act childish in front of everyone, especially her husband because if she does something weird than her husband will be able to know it very obviously. Then he will start questioning about her and that could probably destroy the image of their 'perfect doll house'.
Now, we figured it out. Nora borrowed the money from Krogstad. I believe Nora wasn't childish but she was forced to be because she lives in a "Doll House." She be treated like a doll for her husband. At the end, Nora mentions how she realized that she has been living with a stranger for 8 years. No matter how spendthrift she is, it doesn't matter. Helmer condemns Nora for borrowing money but as soon as he finds out nothing will happen to his reputation, he starts to adore her again. Nora then realizes that she was living in a Doll house, acting like a child when she could've been herself. Do you agree? lol
I think Nora was a good wife and matured. She can do every thing for her family even it's dangerous or malicious to her. She knows the act of borrowing is dangerous but she still did it to save her husband. She didn't tell her husband explaining the danger of her action. She thought very deeply. Now, we figure out who she borrows money from.
Well, nora was showed to be a woman who is childish and careless but it turned out to be shes a woma who sacrifises herself for her family. In that way, i respect her. She was not well educated and she didnt have to think of anything but her family, therefore, i understand why she was so childish and careless. I think she is a good wife and a good mom. It was a right choice to make to leave her husband. I think it would be good for her to find her true identity. Although i feel sorry for her children.. But she has her own life to live. So, she did the right thiNg at the end of the play.
I think Nora just acts like a child and liek to spend money, i mean any person can be that way, but when things started to get serious Nora gradually changed to, to be a serious person. She helped her husband, she saved his life and she lied to him just for his own safety.
I think Nora is like a child who just acts like she is a matured woman. Some evidences are that she says she buys things with a very cheap price, which shows that she is matured. But also when she borrowed money from Krogstad illegally, we can clearly see that is still a child that doesn't know the consequences.
Post by ExtremelyExtremeExtremist on Dec 9, 2012 8:14:25 GMT -5
I don¡¯t think Nora is childish. Before, I thought that Nora was childish because she was asking Torvald for money and spent a lot. When I realized that she had to owe money to Krogstad and gave them to him, I viewed her as a hardworking person. I remember yesterday one actor said that Torvald was the one who was childish, and I agree. He didn¡¯t know about her hardship and treated her like a child. It was right to leave the house.
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I think that Nora was just not "educated" to know that she was being manipulated by her husband. She just did not have the opportunity to know the fact. Unlike Mrs. Linde, who had divorced, support her mother and brothers by herself, Nora had a fairly easy life. Because Mrs. Linde had to go through all the hard experiences, she became mature and knew her true identity as a woman and as a person of society. If Nora went through the things Mrs. Linde has, I think Nora would be matured as well.